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Interview with Tiffany Jackson

November 29, 2021 JASON HARDIN Season 1
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Interview with Tiffany Jackson
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In this episode, Hardin interviews award-winning singer & recording artist, Tiffany Jackson.

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Intro  0:03  
Hello, and welcome to life of a boss the podcast hosted by entrepreneur, public speaker and mentor, Jason Hardin. This podcast is all about helping audiences create and reach their own definition of success through positive thinking, perseverance, and personal development. having survived extreme obstacles from an early age, such as cancer, poverty, abuse, family dysfunction, and even homelessness. Jason has learned how to master the art of resilience, and defy all odds to become the boss he is today. So get ready for some serious game and to remember to keep an open mind. Now without further delay, here's your host, Jason Hardin.

Jason Hardin  0:46  
Hello, and thank you. I'm very excited to be here for another wonderful episode of life boss podcast, the podcast all about personal development and helping you create and live your own definition of success. Anyway, like I said, we have a great episode today we are interviewing somebody that's very dear to me that I've known for quite a while and it's been actually amazing watching her develop into the person and entrepreneur and artist that she is. She has opened for Eric Bellinger. JOHN B, Wu Tang, most def she's been on "I Can See Your Voice". She's also Pasadena Idol winner, and my personal friend and I appreciate her and I hope that no matter of fact, I didn't know that she's gonna be spitting game, but some of you are gonna definitely not want to miss. So without further adieu, please welcome Tiffany Jackson on the show. Miss Tiffany?

Tiffany Jackson  1:46  
Yes, yes, yes. Hello. How you doing tonight?

Unknown Speaker  1:51  
I'm good. I'm feeling good. Looking good. How about yourself,

Jason Hardin  1:54  
man, I am wonderful. I'm excited. And I'm more excited to show on the show here with me because like I said, Man, there's so much there's so much about you that I want to tap into. And there's so much that you do that I think the audience would love to learn. So I hope you're ready, because I'm gonna try to pack as much as I can into this 15/20 minutes.

Unknown Speaker  2:16  
Yeah, I'm excited to talk about it. This is a great platform, I appreciate you for having me. And I'm ready to talk.

Jason Hardin  2:24  
Well, wonderful. And like, like I said before the show you are on here because I see a boss, you know what I'm saying the way you move the way you get down the way you live, and have created your own definition of success. And I think that's very important because like I said, that's what I want to help our audience do I want to help people pursue pursue their dreams and their passions and, and that's what I've seen in you. You know, you've been recording artists and you've been singing for a long time. How long have you been seeing?

Unknown Speaker  2:57  
Um, well, I discovered I had a voice when I was eight, thanks to Mike Towns and his hip hop for kids album and recorded in his studio closet. And then when I was nine years old, that was the first time I sang publicly I like a school talent show and ever since I just ran with it.

Jason Hardin  3:17  
I that's actually a very humble beginning it was funny is that I remember when you were younger, somebody posing as your manager? I don't I don't know if it was your manager or not. But back when I had a magazine called The Dena Magazine, somebody posing as your manager was trying to pitch you to me because they and I don't remember you must have been like 14 at the time. You know what I'm saying,  you was still young. But I don't know who was your uncle, your grandfather, whoever it was, but but they was like yeah, man, I got this girl Tiffany Jackson, she's my niece something she they said you were but they were just so so adamant about getting you on. I mean, it was just I remember that conversation. This is way before I knew you way before I knew your family way before I knew you. You know, you related to some folks that I know. So it was way before that. And I was like, I was intrigued, you know, but it was it wasn't till a few years later when I actually met you. So that means you know that you've been on the radar for a while your voice has been has been a force to be reckoned with for a while. And yeah, it is I think I've told you that story before but still to this day, you never told me what it was you say you don't even know.

Unknown Speaker  4:32  
I don't

Jason Hardin  4:34  
this business is janky. But I say that to say this is that you've been on the radar for a while and you've actually done your thing. Very strong. And, and there are a lot of I know a lot of people listening especially those who are really chasing their own definition of success. A lot of them are artists, a lot of them are producers. A lot of them are interested in the music business and as you and I both Know the music business has changed so much over the years, so much and changed so much since I've heard of your name that first time when that that that manager called me about it so, so it, I'm curious to know how have you been able to navigate the music industry and still find your success within it is still find your niche within it with all these changes going on?

Unknown Speaker  5:27  
You know, honestly, it's not, it hasn't been easy. It really hasn't. There's some times where there's challenges and setbacks. And you always, you know, doubt yourself when you focus on the outcome instead of just the output. And that's kind of what I've just been focusing on, and literally honing in on my craft and what I want to do, and what everyone else suggests, for me to do, when I was younger, I felt like I was very impressionable, and I didn't necessarily know much about the music business. So when I became a part of a collective at the time, he taught me almost everything that I knew about the music business, and actually starting to record and everything like that. So it was all still brand new to me. You know, I mean, it's still new to me, because every, every year is something different, something new. And I've never really been too keen to trends, like I never really cared for it. I wasn't here for the fad, I was here to try to have longevity. And, you know, I feel like quick success builds ego, but slow success actually builds longevity. So that's, that's what I'm here for, you know, and I really couldn't have done it with everybody who has, without everybody who has supported me thus far as far as like my family, those who had resources that wanted to help me out, everybody that I met along the way, and it was only God given because all the relationships that I've made, whether it's musical friendship, or, you know, like mentor, it's, it's been fruitful, like, actually sitting here now, and looking back at every little connect that has happened throughout my life. It was, some of it was planned. It was just like, divine intervention for me, and I can't thank god enough for that.

Jason Hardin  7:24  
Well, you know, what, that's incredible. And and I think what's more incredible is that, you know, you thanking a lot of people and and, and I know that, well, first of all, I know some of your story, and I know some of your journey. So I know, you pass through, you know, some, some learning experiences, and you worked with a few people. But one thing that I can, I can also say is that it looks like you handle a lot of your own business too. Now that might just be from the outside looking in. And I wanted to ask you, are you just a recording artist? Or are you also a manager, an agent, your stylish image consultant, your media, your social media manager. And I want to ask that because I want to kind of convey to the audience how important some of those other roles are, and whether or not a do you have to do them yourself or not? Or how does it work for you?

Unknown Speaker  8:24  
Yeah, it's, it's, you know, it's stressful. It definitely wear many hats, especially when you're trying to be your own artists and you really have like a label backing you know, now when I was maybe I think I was 16. And so I was 21 I was a part of a collective and my mentor K at the time, he was the one that was like, you know, getting these shows so me opening up for Eric Bellinger and for john B and Wu Tang clan, all had to do with him and his Connect because he was an MC. So anywhere that he performed he wanted to bring me on and so I definitely got a taste of that life and how the business side works in that aspect. He also taught me you know, like Be careful about what you put on social media and you know, how you present yourself how you carry yourself you know, so like that I used to tell me to not to stick my toungue out i pictures and I'm just like but that's methat's my personality definitely there's there was a caveat to that. Yeah, because I started feeling like I was grooming myself for the world instead of myself. Like I was trying to satisfy other people in order for them to realize that I was the whole package Hey, you need to, you know, look out for me type of thing. And I spent like the last couple of years of my life really kind of like deprogramming myself from trying to be a people pleaser. But you know, like, as far as Getting myself in, in shows or even doing the the Fox TV show like, I wasn't the one that was trying to look on to be on a TV show my friend. She's like, does like casting calls and stuff like that for music videos. And anytime she sees like some singing show, she's like, sending me the link, no need to apply. And I'm like, it looks like a competition show. I did a whole bunch of competitions. When I was younger, I audition for X Factor, I audition for "The Voice". America's Got Talent. I did all that when I was like, 18 and younger. Yeah, so I was like, I don't want to do competitions. And my mom would always tell me like, you're too good to do competition, you know, like, these things aren't for you. They're for ratings and actually seeing for myself that they are for ratings, they're not about pure talent, you know, and I didn't want to go that route. So when she sent me the link for "I can see your voice", I was like, this doesn't seem like a competition show. I felt bad for constantly telling her No, at least three to five times. And I was like, the least I can do is apply to this one. And then things kind of just fell in place for that. But yeah, I mean, it's, it's been challenging, it's been good. It's been as as far as what it is to be an artist anymore. And I wasn't recording as a writing any music. And then I had someone reach out to me who was like, you know, also produce like a small little EP, and then that fell through, he kind of like disappeared. And so then I was like, Okay, well, I'm cool. I'm just chilling for now. You know, I dedicated my life to God. And I was like, I don't want to go the same route that I was doing before, you know, I mean, my films were still kind of like pG 14, in a sense, I never cared to cuss, never cared to talk about sex, I wanted to just talks about love and positivity and perseverance. And, you know, just being humble, honestly. And not putting myself out there like a sec puppet. You know, a bunch of people that already got that covered, I don't need to be one of them. Exactly. I'm just at my own lane.

Jason Hardin  12:24  
Do you think that your experience like thus far has helped you basically survive as an independent artist because you were exposed to so many different things. And also because you were exposed to, you know, what you didn't want to do and the type of artists you didn't want to be? Do you think those kind of negative experience and that, that, you know, those hardships, kind of helps shape the opportunity that you were able to create for yourself now?

Unknown Speaker  12:51  
Honestly, absolutely. And that goes far beyond just grooming me as an artist, but even as a person, you know, I'm just going out and realizing like, I don't want to be like that, you know, or I feel uncomfortable if I tried to fit in over there and just kind of honestly, like, for a while, it kind of made me feel like I was an outcast, you know, like, I didn't fit in anywhere, like I was disconnected from reality because I don't care about what half of these people cared about. When I was 14 years old, I knew I didn't care for clubs. Looking at me, like I don't like crowds like this, here's your performance I said ya, but I'm outside of the crowd it's different, you know, but it's definitely helped me decide on you know, what I like and what I don't like as far as just me as a human being and you know, beyond being an artist, but as far as me pursuing music career, definitely help my path be more clear on what I truly want to do and how I want to perceive, how myself perceived as So, definitely.

Jason Hardin  14:01  
How do you how do you stick to your non negotiables? You know, how do you stick to those those values that you say you have those lines that you say? You're never going to cause because I know that for someone trying to make it any industry exposure, almost any kind of exposure is good, you know, and and sometimes these offers of, you know, come sing with me or come be on my track or whatever come be in his video, but, but wear this or, or don't wear anything you know what I'm saying how do you how do you circumvent? Or how do you? Basically how are you comfortable? What, how do you say no to those opportunities that that you know, could maybe put an extra few dollars in your pocket or give you those extra views? How do you say no to those because I mean, some people are, they have values too. And as soon as those things come up, they kind of weigh those values against what they ultimately want and some of them think they want that fame or think they want that money so so sometimes those values get compromised How do you not compromise your values because I can vouch for everything you said you know I haven't seen you in a hoochie mama video yet. You know what I'm saying I haven't seen you drop anything like it was hot. I don't want to take from you I don't know what you do in the shower when you you have two girls and all that I don't know how well you can drop it. But all I'm saying is that when you are performing you're doing your art that's what shows to me. You know what I'm saying? It's almost like Alicia Keys You know, I've never seen Alicia Keys dropping like was hot. I don't even know if she can dance. You know, but one thing I know that I would pay damn near anything to see her live and do her thing you don't I'm saying that? She doesn't have to do she doesn't have to be Sierra. You know what I'm saying she damn sure don't have to be Nicki Minaj all that not that I got anything against the artist who found their niche but like I'm saying it's kind of it's kind of tough so so I kind of wonder how do you circumvent that?

Unknown Speaker  16:10  
Um, honestly it's funny that you mentioned that Lisa keys because my response to your question was that vowed to be the fact that I've been reading her autobiography called more myself. And when she first dropped I'm really trying to think of the album but like it was the first album that she put out and she had a photoshoot and the guy who was the photographer had asked everybody else in the room to kind of like you know go away and just like let it be him and Alicia so she could be more comfortable and as soon as he did that he was like asking her to pretty much reveal more of herself but in a very slick way she didn't even think twice about saying no she was just like I don't want this door to be closed type of thing and then next thing you know she's like almost half naked in a magazine and her managers upset about it and she's like distraught because she's like oh my gosh The world is seeing it this way type of thing like buying all your magazines from a newsstand because you don't want anybody to see it type of

Jason Hardin  17:14  
yeah yeah and

Unknown Speaker  17:17  
and you know I can honestly thank God that I have not been in a position like that as far as like you know people asking for you know more nudity or just me not being myself in that sense. And it's it's a blessing because this industry is ran by men you know, I'm usually the only female in the studio now don't get me wrong there are times where you know guys would want me to go to a studio and they'll you know try to be flirtatious and stuff like that when I  I'm just like so hardcore when it comes to man like I'm the sweet person but when it comes to men, I don't play like

Jason Hardin  18:01  
that because your public image is clear that you really have a clean public image like and you know, because for someone who's out there and who's an artist and who promotes a lot of themselves and who's always kind of in that public eye, you know, you kind of you know, you kind of like look for those clues over you know, relationship who they're with and you know, is that a good relationship? Are they happy and you have never opened the curtain to your personal life in that way I have never been able to look at any of your posts or anything of your promotions or even go to an event and catch you and anything that isn't what you're trying to show you know and that's your challenge I

Unknown Speaker  18:49  
can I can also say that Beyonce has definitely been a role model for me and that aspect because she doesn't have much negativity talks about her in the tabloids you know she even though she is kind of like a sex symbol with you know, certain clothes that she wears like that, but you really don't see here out there just being nude. Yeah, I think the closest thing that I saw her being nude was when she had maternity photos, and she was still color covered in leaves and flower. Yeah. I see she definitely set the standard for me when it comes to how I went to move in this industry. I was literally just I'm here for the art as well as her to like her coming out on the scene and wanting to be anonymous, and not you know, still not dressing sleazy to this day. Still covering up and just like saying like it's not about me, it's about the music. And that's kind of where the direction that I want to be in and I you know am going in. The last thing I want is for people to know my name for something that has nothing to do with who I am. You know, I want to set the precedent for the rest of my career. You know, I don't want people to remember me from like a Kim Kardashian video. And then next thing you know, I go into clothing, but they're still talking about that video to this day.

Jason Hardin  20:08  
Yeah. You don't want to tape

Unknown Speaker  20:13  
exactly. And I also I still want to represent God in every way. So it's hard to do that when you're half naked in the public eye. It's really hard to do that.

Jason Hardin  20:25  
At any point, did you want to quit?

Unknown Speaker  20:28  
Absolutely. Absolutely. I am actually, I almost lost my passion for things slipped into a depression and I was just not feeling like myself. I didn't even I didn't even sing in the car wouldn't even sing in the shower. It was bad.

Jason Hardin  20:54  
If I could ask cuz it cuz I can't. I can't say that from the outside. I've never knew this period existed

Unknown Speaker  21:01  
it was December 2018. It was.

Jason Hardin  21:07  
Yeah, I wouldn't have thought that. Yeah. What made you keep going? If I could ask what made you want to stop? And then what made you keep going?

Unknown Speaker  21:17  
You know, I felt like when I was when I left the collective, I felt like, nobody understood me. I felt like, I kept being put on the backburner. I felt like, you know, I keep trying and trying and trying and I'm, no one's really paying attention. I'm being overlooked. I'm always, you know, I just things just weren't working out the way that I expected them to. But on top of that, I also was just heavily distracted, you know, I used to be able to record like two songs in the studio. And then when I was at a time where, like, music wasn't like my main focus as it used to be, I would go in the studio and only be able to record a verse at a time because my, my voice was just not where it should have  been having this doubt, and just feeling like I don't know what I'm doing, then.

Jason Hardin  22:13  
Do you think that do you think it was the doubt that was taken its toll on your talent at that time?

Unknown Speaker  22:21  
Absolutely. I could definitely agree to that. And just not feeling like myself, which caused me to not want to sing. It's like, what what am I singing for, you know, and then also, I never really had all the confidence in my songwriting. Like, I always felt like it was subpar like me and songwriting. I have a love and hate relationship. I'm like, singing is my passion. And when you ask me the song write, it's like, don't get me wrong. I love being in the process of songwriting. And I've written like, 99% of all of my songs, I haven't had someone write a song for me and having to sing it. I was always within that process or writing with somebody but I never felt confident enough. I always felt like music is to be created with multiple people, you know, I've never felt confident enough to do it by myself. So I was always comparing I lived in a state of comparison for a long time, especially comparing myself to other artists because I'm just like, they can write and record themselves and, and it still sounds good. And for me, I'm over here second guessing the first lyric I just wrote, and I'm like, revise that. It wasn't I wasn't writing for my heart anymore. I was writing because I felt like this wouldn't have come out well, focusing on the outcome instead of the output. Yeah, that kind of drove me to depression.

Jason Hardin  23:47  
What What got you out of it now? Cuz you obviously bounced back. I mean, you're performing this weekend. I mean, I don't know if it's this weekend, but but you got performances coming up? So you obviously worked through it? What was that? What helps you get through that?

Unknown Speaker  24:04  
Honestly, you know, my mom had been going to this church at Pomona for like four or five years. And she had constantly started reaching out trying to see if I, you know, want to go to church, and oftentimes I would say, No, everybody was going on a Sunday. And then I decided to go one day, and it kind of just resonated with me. And I felt like Satan had a lock on my life for as long as he was gonna have it . And I decided to rededicate myself. So I started having Bible studies with my pastor every Friday, I started going to youth Bible studies on Wednesday nights. I was at church every Sunday for at least four hours. Sunday school praise team. I literally just gave everything to him and he provided that clarity That piece in that happiness that I was missing, and felt like, I was good enough to continue, like, I know that he didn't give me this voice just to not sing like my purpose has to do with my voice. And I'm not going to limit myself to just being an artist or being in a cover band or doing voiceover commercials, you know, I want to do every area category aspects of singing that there can be, because I know that he gave it to me for a reason, and I'm on a mission to find out why,

Jason Hardin  25:34  
you know what, I love that because you said one word that I was gonna touch on, but you said it before I could even touch on it. And that was clarity. It seemed like that moment, you know, you found clarity, everything came back. You know, and, and, and I want to, you know, express to the audience how important that is, and how, how sometimes we lose that clarity, trying to trying to please others trying to fit into a mold that isn't us, you know, and trying to trying to go a route that we're not even meant to go, you know, like, like you said, you had a vision, even if he didn't know that direct roadmap, you had a vision of what you thought your career was, and what you wanted out of it. And, and you was starting to be pushed in and kind of kind of, you know, led astray and distracted, if you will, by other people's expectations. And and that created clutter. And as soon as you found that clarity, as soon as you chose to find clarity, because sometimes you got to choose to find it first, you know, you don't, you don't just get clear, in the middle of some BS, if you're not trying to get away from the BS, you know, so

Unknown Speaker  26:44  
right. It's one thing to find your voice and another thing to use it.

Jason Hardin  26:47  
Yeah, you gotta find it and use it. Yeah, exactly. So it was good that you found that clarity. I don't want to take up too much more of your time. So I want to end it on this. What advice do you have for folks that are, you know, might be at that breaking point might be at that point where they just don't see, she see it being possible because you know, maybe, maybe the music it maybe because the music industry has changed, maybe because they have to do more on their own, they have to put in more work because like you said, you have to be your own label now. But people don't understand that the great part of being your own label now is that you might not make as much money as being on a major label, but you'll make more of your own money. You know, like, you can make a million dollars with a label, but you didn't go home with a million dollars. You can make a million dollars on the streets and you don't go home with that whole million. You know what I'm saying? And, and I think that's what people have to understand is that it's worth it. So what could you tell someone who's who's maybe a recording artist, maybe a singer, rapper, or maybe even a producer, who who's just, you know, it's kind of getting getting frustrated losing their way and think that they can't make their definition of success come true? What advice would you have for them?

Unknown Speaker  28:10  
You know, the one thing that I've learned and I'm still learning is to give yourself more grace. You know, I think that everyone talks about, life is too short. So you feel like you don't have the time or you're running out of time, because we're almost 30 years old, or you're 35 years old. And, you know, according to society, you're supposed to have it all together, you know, but I literally am trying to practice giving myself more days. And then every day is not going to be the same. There's some good days and bad days. And I know as cliche as it sounds, it's literally true, sometimes a bad day can last all week, you know, but it's literally just continue to try and see every progress is progress, whether it's one step or three steps, just starting somewhere, even if like, for me, I bought a piano like a piano kit, so I could start learning. And my jokes probably been like eight months since I had it. And I probably only played it once or twice. And someone told me even if you just take 10 minutes out of the day, just 10 minutes and start that habit. And I'm overwhelmed because I'm like, I need to sit here and I need to practice for three

Jason Hardin  29:30  
hours times a week. I'm not gonna get anything out of it. Yeah, I get it, I get it.

Unknown Speaker  29:37  
And if I don't do it, then I feel like I'm not good in this, like I need to work hard, work hard, and it's like no, you can sleep. Sleep is good. You know, I just I want to remove that stigma from every creative possible and just, you know, tell them to give themselves more grace. As long as you're growing. There's nothing wrong with that, but grow at your own pace and not what you expect. That everybody else wants you to grow at or you see everybody else and you're like, Oh, well, they're there, and I'm not there. But that's not your lucky, you know. So, you know, I would say give yourself more grace, because I'm willing to do that.

Jason Hardin  30:13  
Well, I love it, Tasha and I'm pretty sure the audience is, you know, gotten so much money. And I have to because like I said, I've learned more than I've knew about you, you know what I'm saying. And I know that it wasn't easy, but I have a newfound level of respect for you. And I appreciate everything you said today.

Unknown Speaker  30:32  
Oh, I appreciate you for having me on this platform, you know, I feel really special to be on this LIFE OF A BOSS Podcast.

Jason Hardin  30:44  
So I'm glad and I'm glad that other people get to see it too. Because like I said, Man, we inspire others by just doing what we do for ourselves and following our passion and sometimes we don't see the value that we can bring other people just by doing what we love to do, you know, and that's what I wanted to share with everybody else is the value that you can bring to them just by doing what you've done already, you know, and accomplishing what you've accomplished already. I'm proud of you and I know there's a lot of other people and I know the people that are proud of you that are in your circles so you know it's a special thing and I appreciate everything that I've seen you do and that you have inspired me to do and pursue

Unknown Speaker  31:24  
thank you I appreciate it. You're inspiring yourself. Okay. Entrepreneur mentor running for mayor like do you do it at all

Jason Hardin  31:33  
man I'm trying

Unknown Speaker  31:36  
your own magazine? There's There's literally nothing you can't do you wear many hats and you wear them well,

Jason Hardin  31:42  
well I just think we have to make the most of our time here. You know, I'm not trying to leave nothing on the table. You know, I have to say it's like when when I'm done with this live when it's time to go I want to be I want I want to gladly go you know, I want to get my bag. And be struttin out this life, you know what I'm sayin. Like that one sista that retired from the Marines or something the way he was struttin down that line when it's time for me to go gonna be struttin. Don't be sad. Absolutely. But celebrate. Absolutely. But thank you and I'm gonna let you go and I will circle back with you. And I definitely want you on the show again.

Unknown Speaker  32:21  
Absolutely, thank you for having me. I appreciate it was great.

Jason Hardin  32:25  
No problem at all. Anyway, that was Tiffany Jackson, you know, the sister of the amazing Tasha Jackson. She was here also, and I just wanted to let you guys know that man, listen to her. take small steps you know, progress is just a bunch of small steps accumulated you know that that's all success is manages. That's why I say success is a lifestyle. It's not an end goal. It's not a win. It's not a victory. It's what you do every day is to progress you make constantly. Anyway, I love ya'll Ima end it with that. Man love Yeah. Check us out next week LIFE OF A BOSS.

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